Young Earth Creation Science Argument Index

 

     The purpose of this index is to list all the claims of young earth creationists, and provide rebuttals to those claims.  Although the idea for this index came from the TalkOrigins.org listing of creationist claims, this index differs in that it answers the arguments from an old earth creationist perspective.   Many arguments will have additional arguments against the young earth claims which do not appear on the Talk Origins site.  In addition, some arguments used on the Talk Origins site will not be used here.

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Bible/Theology

• B1: Biblical Creationism
  • B11: Compromise
    • B111: Belief in millions of years compromises the Gospel message
    • B112:  You cannot believe in both evolution and the Bible
• B2: Biblical Accuracy
  • B21: Inerrancy
    • B211: Belief in millions of years is a denial of inerrancy
• B3: Young Earth Creationism
• B4: Days of Creation
  • B41: "Yom"
    • B411: The Hebrew word Yom in Genesis can only mean a 24 hour day
    • B412: Yom, when used with an ordinal, Yom always means a 24 hour day
    • B413: Yom, with the "morning/evening" words accompanying it, always refers to a 24 hour day
    • B414:  You cannot use a word figuratively (yom=ages) until after you have used it literally
    • B415:  If God really did create via long ages, he could have used another Hebrew other than yom to convey this meaning
• B5:  Garden of Eden
  • B51:  Old earth believers reject the existence of the original 'paradise'
  • B52:  The Curse of Mankind

Dinosaurs/Plesiosaurs

• D1:  Man and Dinosaurs Existed at the same time
  • D11: Man and dinosaurs coexisted.
    • D111: Footprints of humans and dinosaurs together prove that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time
  • D12: Dinosaur Artwork
    • D121: Artwork depicting dinosaurs, dated within the last 2,000 years, proves dinosaurs existed with man
    • D122: Australian Aboriginal art proves that dinosaurs existed with man
    • D123: Clay and stone figurines discovered in Acambaro, Mexico, include figurines of dinosaurs
    • D124:  The Ica Stones prove that man and dinosaurs coexisted
  • D13: Dragons
    • D131: Dragons were dinosaurs
      • D1311: Some dinosaurs breathed fire
    • D132: The Bible talks about dragons as being real animals
      • D1321: Psalm 91:13 mentions dragons
      • D1322: Isaiah 43:20 mentions dragons
    • D133: The English legend of Sir George the Dragonslayer supports the existence of dragons
    • D134: An Italian peasant killed a small dragon
    • D135: A tenth-century Irishman encountered a Stegosaur
    • D136: The dragon on the flag of Wales is proof of recently living dragons
• D2: Living Dinosaur Claims
  • D21. Dinosaurs may still be alive in the Congo
• D3: Plesiosaurs
  • D31: A plesiosaur was found by a Japanese trawler
  • D32: Finding a live plesiosaur would prove dinosaurs still exist
  • D33: Finding a live plesiosaur would prove the earth is young
• D4: Dinosaurs and Noah's Flood
  • D41: The Flood Killed Most of the Dinosaurs
    • D411: Dinosaur graveyards with thousands of dinosaurs prove they were killed by Noah's Flood
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  • D42: Dinosaurs were on the Ark
    • D421: Noah took juvenile dinosaurs on the Ark
• D5: Dinosaurs in the Bible
  • D51: Leviathan was a Kronosaurus
  • D52: Behemoth was a sauropod
  • D53: Isaiah 30:6 alludes to a Pteranodon
• D6: Tyrannosaurus Rex
  • D61: T-Rex Blood/Tissue
    • D611: T-Rex Blood Cells were found in 1997
    • D612: T-Rex Soft Tissue proves the fossils are not millions of years old
  • D62: T-Rex was a vegetarian when he was first created
    • D621: Carnivorous teeth developed after the animals were created
      • D6211: The animals were cursed in Genesis 3 after man's sin
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  • D63:  The way you kill a T-rex is by ripping off its small arms
• D7: Miscellaneous Claims
  • D71:  Fresh unfossilized dinosaur bones were found in Alaska
  • D72:  Dinosaur extinction was probably caused by man
  • D73:  Evolutionary teaching on dinosaurs is an attack on the foundations of Christianity
  • D74:  Two Arizona cowboys shot and killed a pterodactyl in the late 1800s
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Geology

• G1: Geochronology 
  • G11: Radiometric dating makes false assumptions
    • G111: Radiometric dating falsely assumes rocks are closed systems
    • G112: Radiometric dating falsely assumes initial conditions are known
    • G113: Cosmic rays and free neutrinos affect U and Ar decay rates
    • G114: Radiometric dating falsely assumes that rates are constant
    • G115: Consistency of radiometric dating comes from selective reporting
  • G12. Radiometric dating gives unreliable results
    • G121: Carbon dating gives inaccurate results
      • G1211: Variable C-14/C-12 ratio invalidates C-14 dating
        • G12111:  C-14 method is wrong because it is not adjusted for the flood
      • G1212: Vollosovitch and Dima mammoths yielded inconsistent C-14 dates
      • G1213: Living snails were C-14 dated at 2,300 and 27,000 years old
      • G1214: A freshly killed seal was C-14 dated at 1,300 years old
      • G1215: Triassic wood from Australia was dated at 33,000 years old
      • G1216: Ancient coal and oil are C-14 dated as only 50,000 years old
    • G122. U-Th Dating
      • G1221: U-Th dating gives inaccurate results for modern volcanic rocks
    • G123. K-Ar Dating
      • G1231: K-Ar dating gives inaccurate results for modern volcanic rocks
      • G1232: K-Ar dates of 1986 dacite from Mount St. Helens are very old
    • G124. Isochron Dating
      • G1241: Isochron dating gives unreliable results
      • G1242: Isochron date of young Grand Canyon lava is excessively old
    • G125. Zircon Dating
      • G1251: Zircons retain too much helium for an old earth
    • G126. U-Th-Pb Method
      • G1261: The U-Th-Pb method, properly corrected for neutron capture gives recent dates
  • G13. Polonium Haloes
    • G131. Polonium haloes indicate a young earth
  • G14: Miscellaneous Radiometric Claims
    • G141:  KBS Tuff shows the flaws of radiometric dating
• G2: Geological Column
  • G21: Entire geological column does not exist
  • G22: The geological column is sometimes out of order
    • G221: Out-of-order strata occur at the Lewis Overthrust
  • G23: The geologic column is based on the assumption of evolution
• G3: Sedimentation
  • see also Noah's Flood
  • G31:  Deserts
    • G311:  The Coconino Sandstone in the Grand Canyon is water-deposited
    • G312: Footprints in the Coconino were made underwater
    • G313: Sahara Desert is expanding
  • G32: Catastrophism/Uniformitarianism and Deposition
    • G321: Many geologic features are catastrophic in origin
    • G322: Sandstone layers are too extensive for normal deposition
    • G323: Shale layers are too extensive for normal deposition
    • G324: Limestone and dolomite layers are too extensive for normal deposition
  • G33: Sediment Quantity
    • G331: The mouth of the Colorado River does not have enough sediment for the Grand Canyon
    • G332:  Mississippi delta indicates a young earth
    • G333:  There is not enough sediment in the ocean for an old earth
    • G334:  Much more sediment is deposited than removed by subduction
    • G335:  Oceans do not have enough dissolved minerals for an old earth
    • G336:  Sodium accumulates in oceans too fast for an old earth
  • G34: Petroleum Geology
    • G341: Natural gas escapes too fast to allow for long ages
    • G342: High pressures in oil fields would have bled off if earth were old
    • G343: Oil seepage would have drained offshore reservoirs in 20,000 years

  • G35:  Caves

    • G351:  Stalactites can grow very rapidly

• G36 Miscellaneous Sedimentation

  • G361:  Juvenile water is added to oceans too fast for an old earth

  • G362:  Varves

    • G3621:  Varves can form in less than a year

• G4: Evaporation

  • G41: Evaporites could form without evaporation

  • G42: Evaporites are too thick

  • G43: Evaporites contain no organic matter

• G5: Glaciation

  • G51: Multiple Glaciations

    • G511:  There was only one Ice Age

    • G512:  Underwater submarine flows are misinterpreted by geologists as glacial till

  • G52: The Flood Caused the Ice Age

  • G53: Miscellaneous Young Earth Ice Age Claims

    • G531: World War II airplanes are now beneath thousands of "annual" ice layers

• G6: Mountain Building
  • G61: After millions of years of erosion, we would have no mountains
  • G62: Volcanic material would have filled the earth if the earth were old
  • G63  Folded rocks must have been soft when folded
• G7: Erosion
  • G71: Niagara Falls erosion rate indicates a young earth
  • G72: Average soil depth is consistent with a young earth
  • G73: Baumgardner and Barnette's Patterns of Circulation Study indicates that Noah's Flood could provide the erosional forces to deposit the world's sedimentary layers
• G8: Geophysics and Plate Tectonics
  • G81: Geomagnatism
    • G811: The earth's magnetic field is decaying, indicating a young earth
  • G82: Plate Tectonics
    • G821: The theory of plate tectonics is wrong
    • G822: Mid-ocean magnetic reversals do not show that the earth's magnetic field has changed polarization
    • G823: Plate tectonics occurred catastrophically and has since slowed
• G9: Miscellaneous Geology
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Paleontology

• P1: Physical Anthropology
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• P2: Transitional fossils
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• P3: Fossil Record
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• P4: Methodology

Noah's Flood

• N1: Water Source for the Flood
  • N11. The Vapor Canopy Theory
  • N12. A comet supplied some of the flood waters
  • N13. The Hydroplate theory
  • N14. Runaway subduction
• N2: The Ark
  • N21: The Finding of Noah's Ark
    • N211. Noah's Ark is on Mount Ararat
      • N2111.  Noah's Ark has been photographed
    • N212. Noah's ark has been found near Dogubayazit, Turkey
      • N2121. Anchor stones of Noah's ark have been found
      • N2122. The Turkish government officially recognized the site of Noah's ark
    • N213.  Pieces of the Ark have been found
      • N2131. James Bryce found a 4-foot timber high on Ararat
      • N2132. Navarra retrieved hand-hewn wood from high on Ararat
      • N2133. Hardwicke Knight found soft wood timbers on Ararat
    • N214.  People who have visited the Ark
      • N2141. Yearam guided three scientists to Noah's ark in 1916
      • N2142. An 1883 Turkish expedition found Noah's ark
      • N2143. Prince Nouri of Baghdad found the ark in 1887
      • N2144. Hagopian visited the ark with his uncle around 1908
      • N2145. Resit, a Kurdish farmer, found the ark in 1948
      • N2146. Local Kurds led Ed Davis to the ark in 1943
      • N2147. Ed Behling was led to the ark in 1973
    • N215.  Finding Noah's Ark would prove that the earth is young
  • N22.  Seaworthiness of the Ark
    • N221. Noah's Ark only had to float, like a barge
• N3: Animals on the Ark
  • N31. Insects survived on floating vegetation mats
  • N32. All animals could fit on the ark
    • N321. Juveniles of large animals were taken aboard
    • N322. The average land animal is the size of a sheep
    • N323. Noah only took "kinds" of animals
  • N33. Animals hibernated on the ark
  • N34. The crew could feed and care for the animals
    • N341. Many animals do not require fresh or live food
  • N35. Pre-Flood animals lived in a uniform climate
  • N36. Animals' exacting needs could have evolved after the Flood
• N4: Effects of the Flood
  • N41. Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood
    • N411.  Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood
  • N42. Plants could have survived the Flood
    • N421.  Plants could have survived the Flood
  • N43. Geology and the Flood
    • N431. The geologic column was deposited by the Flood
      • N4311.  The geologic column was deposited by the Flood
    • N432: Fossils were deposited by the Flood.
    • N433: Fossil order was determined by the Flood.
      • N4331. Fossils are sorted by ecological zonation
      • N4332. Fossils are sorted hydrologically
      • N4333. Fossils are sorted by the ability to escape
    • N434. High mountains were raised during the Flood
      • N4341. The flood deposited seashells high upon mountaintops
    • N435. The Flood shaped the earth's surface in other ways
    • N436. The Grand Canyon was carved by retreating Flood waters
      • N4361. Rapid erosion on Mount St. Helens shows Grand Canyon could form suddenly
      • N4362. Rapid erosion of Burlingame Canyon shows Grand Canyon could form suddenly
  • N44. The Flood caused an ice age
  • N45. Folklore:
    • N451.  There are flood myths from all over the world
• N5. Miscellaneous Flood Arguments
  • N51. The oldest living thing is younger than 4,900 years

Astronomy

• A1: Earth
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• A2: Moon
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• A3: Planets and Solar System
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• A4: Sun and Stars
  •  Supernova Remnants
• A5: Cosmology
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• A6: Geocentrism
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Physics

• X1: Second Law of Thermodynamics and Information Theory
  • X11. The second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution.
    • X111. Systems left to themselves invariably tend toward disorder
    • X112. Instructions are necessary to produce order
    • X113. The second law is about organized complexity, not entropy
    • X114. Evolution needs an energy conversion mechanism to utilize energy
  • X12. Complexity does not come from simplicity
    • X121. Tornadoes in junkyards do not build things
  • X13. Information, such as DNA, could not assemble itself
  • X14. 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to information theory

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Philosophy

• L1: Ethics
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• L2: Epistemology
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• L3: Theology
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Biology/Evolution

For most Biology/Evolution claims, see the Talk Origins Index.

• E1: Abiogenesis
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• E2: Genetics
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• E3: Molecular Biology
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• E4: Physiology and Anatomy
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• E5: Behavior and Cognition
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• E6: Botany
  • E61: The Oldest Living Tree is around the age for Noah's Flood
    • E611: The King Clone Creosote Bush (11,700 years old) is only about 7,500 years old
  • E62:  Coral reef growth has been exaggerated by a factor of 40
• E7: Ecology and Population Biology
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• E8: Developmental Biology
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• E9: Systematics
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• E10: Evolution
  • E101:  If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

Miscellaneous

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Argument Index Topics

Bible/Theology

Dinosaurs/Plesiosaurs

Geology 

Paleontology

Noah's Flood

Astronomy

Physics

Philosophy

Biology/Evolution

Miscellaneous

 

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